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If Lisbon is passed, how can we stop Tony Blair becoming EU President?
We dont want this guy who aligned himself with Bush and invaded Iraq without UN validation representing Ireland at international level.
This unaccountable position is another of the flaws with the Lisbon Treaty
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Would Blair be the worst?
Surly the guy has learned from his mistakes. He must know he made some catastrophic mistakes by going to war against Iraq. This I hope has changed his view of the world and diplomacy.
I'd like to see Mary Robinson go for it.
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Firstly, the position is not unaccountable.
He or she would act on a mandate as set out by the European Council.
I can't Tony Blair getting the position. Germany and France were so opposed to the Iraq war, that I don't think their populations would tolerate it.
I suppose you could start writing to your local & national politicians, MEPs, and whoever else to get the ball rolling on opposing him.
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What? You're obviously just hunting for any reason to whinge about Lisbon. Of course the position isn't unaccountable, and if Blair gets to be president it will be as a result of a democratic process. No matter how hard you squint, you can't realistically see the EU as the kind of authoritarian dictatorship that you're trying to show.
Or in other words, the one flaw in your argument is that it's just not true.
zOz
peterf (18/08/2009)
If Lisbon is passed, how can we stop Tony Blair becoming EU President?
We dont want this guy who aligned himself with Bush and invaded Iraq without UN validation representing Ireland at international level.
This unaccountable position is another of the flaws with the Lisbon Treaty
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zozimus (19/08/2009)
What? You're obviously just hunting for any reason to whinge about Lisbon. Of course the position isn't unaccountable, and if Blair gets to be president it will be as a result of a democratic process. No matter how hard you squint, you can't realistically see the EU as the kind of authoritarian dictatorship that you're trying to show.
Or in other words, the one flaw in your argument is that it's just not true.
zOz
peterf (18/08/2009)
If Lisbon is passed, how can we stop Tony Blair becoming EU President?
We dont want this guy who aligned himself with Bush and invaded Iraq without UN validation representing Ireland at international level.
This unaccountable position is another of the flaws with the Lisbon Treaty
Well, in the interest of clarity. The election of the position in question won't necessarily be directly democratic. He/she will be a appointed by, and be accountable to, the democratically elected leaders of each member state.
Democracy by proxy?
Certainly no rogue as peter is making the position out to be.
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Sign the petition:
http://www.gopetition.com/online/16745.html
Sign the petition:
http://stopblair.eu/
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What's wrong with the guy? Be clear please - is it just because he's British? Please please tell me that that's not your real reason? Please tell me that you're not part of the juvenile 'wounded' brigade who are still whinging about British rule while sensible people are forging peace.
If your objection is based on his part in the Iraq war or his weakness in standing up to that disaster, GW Bush, then I can see your point. I would prefer someone who wasn't swayed by the likes of Bush.
His good points include his political knowledge and experience, his ability to lead and his skills as an orator.
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Looks like Sarkozy has put the first of many nails in this coffin.
clicky here
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Hmmm. He's starting to smell badly of Warmonger. Never mind the fact that the British are outside the Eurzone - which should have no bearing whatsoever, no matter what Sarkozy says.
I just have an image in my head of Blair and Bush kneeling in prayer together, seeking guidance about the Iraq war.
I know it's probably naive to assume that all wars are wrong, but I think that the way this was conducted, without recourse to enough dialogue, has come back to bite Mr Blair now.
At the memorial service in St Paul's recently, Blair was the unspoken focus of attention on a few occasions, when the archbishop spoke of whether the war was right or wrong.
On the plus side - he's an excellent leader, speaker, deal maker etc. On the minus side, he was a bit quick to get on his knees with, or in front of, Mr Bush.
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I think we can safely say he has been stopped.
His lack of EU credentials, his warmongering and links to Bush caused his downfall.
He was too big a personality for the role too. He'd have clout and immediate international, but it looks like EU member states are looking for a chairperson and spokesperson as opposed to an international actor.
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That's the question though isn't it? Will the members play it safe and try to install a puppet? Especially for the first few years... or will they go all out and get a heavy-hitter?
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